....LMB: "Random War Thoughts 2"....

Here's a possible response. "Yes, I support our troops. I pay taxes, Mr. Bush's friends, the multi-millionaires he's trying to make tax-free."

That would be "unlike Mr Bush's, etc."

(memo to self: Must carefully check for grammar and spelling)

Typical spin PR slogan, you can't not support them therefore you must be infavour of a war, "you're either with us or against us" idiot mentality.

The question should be "do our troops support us?", by us i mean the public, well obviously not, as public opinion (in the UK) was against the war. This raises the point of who's troops they are exactly, you guessed it, the government's. We seem to have forgotten that both the US and UK have used the army to kill its own citizens within the last 30 years (Bloody Sunday and Vietnam student protests). I understand that obviously the army isn't a debating society but disregard of personal responsibility and ignorance should be no excuse.

Tony Baloney Blair has been saying we should support the war because we can't stop it, well how about supporting crime as well, after all we've tried to stop that and failed. Maybe the police should be ashamed of their anti-crime stance and support our criminals instead!

I know all this stuff sounds really bad and i'm all for getting rid of Sadam, but i realize that ridding the world of evil is a PR joke (unfortunately). Maybe i'm cynical and plain wrong and next month we'll kick the Israeli's out of Palistine, the Chinese out of Tibet, the Russians out of Chetchnya, sort out Mugabe in Zimbabwe and then go after the evil bastards who put me through the Malaysian prison system. I know i'll be there waving the flag cheering them on every step of the way. Make no mistake I know that my British passport is THE most important posession I own, that's why it makes me so angry to see how my country's government and military has been highjacked and its citizens ignored and lied to.

Diom, you misrepresent what happened @ Kent State. There were a number of unfortunate circumstances that led to the National Guard having Live ammo on campus. And there is no evidence to even suggest the firing of weapons was anything more than the reaction of the people holding them to what they perceived to be a threat.

The Federal Gov't played no role in the deaths. It is not fair to use that as evidence of the US using the military to kill it's own students.

A minor point, as I agree with the bulk of your statement.

'Lying Media' is right. I live in Canada, and the local CBC and BBC news I get is somewhere in between Al-Jazeera and Fox. I also catch good old Fox, CNN and MSNBC and if I switch from an American station to a Canadian station, it's like switch from American Idol to Survivor. (sorry, best analogy i can think of).

I don't know how you 'real' patriot Yanks do it, putting up with big brother propaganda on TV. I pity you, honestly. At least there's the internet, before Bush and co censor THAT too. Yesterday morning, I watched CBC. They showed the market seen for a good hour. Shows Iraqi anger and tears are the slaughter in the mornig market. They started jumping up on burned out cars, angry at US and Bush for this. They said they heard the plane that dropped it.

I switch to CNN.

They're talking to 'analysts' (without showing the mayhem) and they speculate that because US bombs are so precise, it's probably an Iraqi propaganda and they blew it up themselves.

come to your own conclusions. i know i have. CBC showed me quite visibly what war does to innocent people. CNN made me despise the Bush Regime even more.

I am sure if an errant US missile was to blame for the destruction in the Iraqi market, the US would own up to it once the evidence has been examined. We've done it many times in the past, where our missiles hit the wrong target. we apologize, and then we move on(ie: chinese embassy, syrian bus etc). i think in this particular case...the preliminary evidence shows the crater size is too small for a US missile. in fact, i think if i was a US missile there'd be a helluva lot more people dead than just 15.

now obviously our news coverage is biased, but so is the news in other countries including yours in canada. everyone's got their own agendas. doesn't make it right in anyway but that's the way it goes. life's always a struggle.

You have no idea how much I relate to all of this. In particular 3).

The media is made up of a whole bunch of real live humans so guess what..your going to get a whole bunch of biases and opinions. I think it's pretty telling that both liberals and conservatives view the media as biased. Seems the minute anyone reads/sees/hears anything that challenges their world view then the media must be biased one way or the other.
Fact is you are not going to see the media saying just the things YOU think are correct. You will always see both sides so learn to live with it.
Everyone posting here seems to find out what is going on so STFU about the press not covering it EXACTLY the way YOU would like to see it covered. I watch CNN and FOX and still manage to come to the conclusion that the war in Iraq is a totally useless waste. Oh my god, how can that be!

As I watch and listen to the events of this conflict play out in the media here in Canada I think back to an old ww1 soldier talking about why he risked his life for the cause back in 1914-18. He said that at the time it seemed like the right thing to do but looking back on it now ( the 1980's) it seemed to be an awful waste of lives and property and if he had to do it again he probably wouldn't. The reasons and resolve of the US and Britain seemed so unflinching prior to the conflict yet now as the fighting intensifies those who were soft supporters of the war are certainly questioning the need for this at all. Personally I think our government did the right thing in not supporting this invasion. Many Canadians who support the war do so out of fear of more punitive trade action against us by the Bush administration.