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You're right--that was sloppy. But I think his point was that the Bush family is well-connected to the royal family and therefore to the bin Ladens, and therefore might have been motivated to ignore the warning signals that 9/11 was coming. And on that point, I think that he's probably right.

Moore is a terrible documentarian. This latest contains many direct rip-offs of several of Errol Morris' techniques.

I'm no fan on the current administration, but in all fairness, many other people were being flown out of harm's way post-9/11.

If someone in your family was a criminal or a terrorist, does that make you guilty by association?

At some point people will stop focusing on the unimportant details and start focusing on the glaring details regarding 9/11, like why all the physical evidence was removed from the scene and melted down in foreign countries before any proper investigation could be made, or why building 7 fell in what could only be explained as a controlled demolition.

There's a much larger, stinkier fish taped under this country's desk, and nobody seems to have the nose to locate it.

I had a similar reaction to the film as you Jake, that we who keep an eye on the current junta knew most of this already. I do think that it does one important thing, which is that it shows a lot of footage that people who watch mainstream TV never ever saw, or even heard of: the Congressional Black Caucus refusing validate the Electoral vote count (and that not a single Democratic senator would sign the complaint - interesting in and of itself), the egging of the Inaugural parade and the attendent protests, the mere fact that the hijackers were indeed Saudis and not Iraqis:

NONE, NONE of that made CBS,Fox, NBC, CNBC, ABC, etc. Most of America STILL thinks this was about 911, so in that way, Moore does provide a service, basically, what a free press would be providing if it were actually free. So it's easy to understand why you would be underwhelmed - this should all be basic knowledge by now, but it's not.

"Terror, terror, terror, war, war, war, 911, 911, 911, God Bless America" - that's all the TV-watching brainwashed Ameicans get to see.

Homeland security? They gather our financial records, phone records, library records, etc, - what's the big deal? It is obvious that most Americans are willing to 'trade essential liberties for security'.

"I got mine" is all that matters. My job, my house, my car, my gasoline, my kids, my sports team, my stuff. Americans don't care about anyone worse off, dead civilians, dead soldiers (unless it's an immediate family member- in which case they are 'proud'). Americans are fine with all of this - if you don't believe me, log into the NYTimes forums sometime. Ask yourself why the polls are anywhere near even, why Clear Channel can censor an anti-war ad or a chain of theaters can censor Michael Moore's movie. Or for that matter, why the fraudulent election was acceptable to Americans in the first place, or why Kerry and the Dems voted IN FAVOR of the Patriot Act and for Georgie-boy to use war powers against Iraq. This is our country, right or wrong. This is what we are willing to tolerate. Medical, prison and social security privatization. America - Land of the Free, Home of the Consumer. Why should we care if our own government spies on us if we're not doing anything wrong? We are so free we have the right to protest in designated areas 40 miles from what we're protesting! Wah hoo! I feel so fucking free!!

This is America today, not real far from Germany, circa 1938

God Help Us All

Wow, DC, I agree with you on so many of the points you made.The way that CNN "the most trusted name in news" never in the beginning of the war in iraq, and hardly at all now, has watered down what is actually happening in Iraq by not showing the footage of what war actually does. Thank the fuck out of the FCC for that one, and of course, the good ole corporate i mean "liberal media". In Moore's film however, there were pictures of the actual devistation that occured, and that to me was, as you said, what more reporters if they are independent should be doing. The movie I do believe also twisted the truth in some parts, but overall, there were many instances that needed to be addressed that were finally,in a more mainstream way. Even if the movie wasn't terribly mainstream, I'm glad some of this information is being taken into account. I mean Micheal Moore raised a good point in an interview with a woman on CBS who said something along the lines of how his movie was just propoganda, and he said "We'll I'd consider the CBS news propoganda." and then he continued to question her on why the mainstream media hadn't covered any of the things in his movie, and he asked why the hard questions weren't asked. And then, directly after the interview, the woman said "coming up next: mosquito repelent: deet or no deet?" which of course just proved his point.

It's becoming less amusing, and more and more tragic, to watch everyone being distracted from the real, important facts about 9/11.